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Email Conversations: The NDSU/KSU Game Impact

by Dan Gunderson

Brad Jones (White Shadow) and I (Pinto) started emailing back and forth this week about a topic we forgot to discuss on the podcast. Here is our email conversation that spreads over the past couple days.

Dan Gunderson
Aug 26 (3 days ago)

to Bradley

Brad,

Listening back to the podcast (Yeah. I know. I'm very self involved) I noticed we didn't get to discussing the overall impact of this game on the Bison's season. Would you agree that by the time December rolls around, win or lose this game, it will just end up being a blip on the radar for the Bison & the Wildcats?

Bradley Jones
Aug 27 (2 days ago)

to Daniel

I know you listened to it back just because you missed hearing my voice. I absolutely agree that this game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a great way to get fans excited about the start of the season, much more so than Mississippi Delta Kappa Theta Valley or some of the other cupcakes we've had for openers. Do you see any outcome that makes an impact on the season?

Dan Gunderson
Aug 27 (2 days ago)

to Bradley

I will say that the only outcome that impacts the season for both teams is an NDSU win. Think back to 2010 and you remember that the Bison made it into the FCS Playoffs largely based off the fact they beat an FBS opponent to open the season. Not only that, they received a first round home game that year. Their record going into the playoffs was 7-4 and they ended the season with a 3-0 loss to Missouri State. To bring us back to the question, I think an NDSU victory negatively impacts KSU and positively impacts NDSU. That is why these games are such a win-win for FCS schools and lose-lose for FBS schools. With all that of that being said (or written/typed. Whatever.) I think NDSU won't need a victory to make the playoffs this season and a loss, while disappointing, won't be back breaking. Would you disagree with my take White Shadow?

Bradley Jones
Aug 27 (2 days ago)

to Daniel

If the Bison need this win to make the playoffs then something has gone horribly wrong the rest of the year. I would bet if the Bison lose this game, they will still be the #1 team in FCS next week. The only things they are playing for in the regular season are a Missouri Valley title and home field throughout the playoffs. If Coach Bohl was asked about the overall goals of the season, this game probably doesn't factor in anywhere. And dynamite analysis on your, "I think an NDSU victory negatively impacts KSU and positively impacts NDSU." You're not the best producer in the business for nothing.

Dan Gunderson
Aug 27 (2 days ago)

to Bradley

I'm going to expand on that quote you dropped because the flip side to it is that a win for K-State means nothing. They are supposed to win and the fan base expects nothing less. From a Wildcat fan's standpoint, they are just getting around to realizing Fargo is not just a movie and their is actually a college in the town. That is why these FBS/FCS games are so good for FCS teams. I agree with the Big 10's idea of discontinuing them because what does the Big 10 gain from these games? What does any higher-up FBS team gain from playing the South Dakota's of the world or the South Dakota State University's of the world? I don't see a big positive from the FBS side of things. Make your fun if you want but I would find it hard to believe you think differently.

Bradley Jones
Aug 27 (2 days ago)

to Daniel

I will make my fun, and also make fun of you for using "their" instead of "there." Your English teacher would be thoroughly disappointed. To your point, of course a win means nothing for K-State. I disagree about FBS/FCS games, I think there is something to gain from them, but that's a discussion for a different time, perhaps the Pinto and White Shadow Show on the Podcast page of KFGO.com *coughshamelesspromotioncough.* Back to the Bison, what are the best and worst case scenarios that can come of this game?

Dan Gunderson
Aug 27 (2 days ago)

to Bradley

The FBS/FCS thing could be on the Pinto's Points blog on 740thefan.com too. (Beat that shamless plug) When I start to get fired up and type, I make several their & there mistakes. The absolute best scenario for NDSU is a win w/o injuries. The worst is a complete dismantling, something like a 20-point loss, to K-State w/ some kind of significant injury. Now, I would have to say that those are both on the extreme end. In reality, and this is going to sound a little odd, it would be okay for NDSU if they were to lose by say six or less points and come away from this game with a healthy roster. I know this topic we agree on so I can't imagine you would have much push back.

Bradley Jones
10:57 AM (22 hours ago)

to Daniel

Don't project your crazy opinions on me. That being said, you are correct. If the game is close and the Bison walk away healthy then it's a victory in my mind. I don't expect any type of loss to be a victory in the minds of the team, but in my mind the only thing that matters is health. I would even be okay if the game ends up a blowout, as long as all the players walk and don't limp away.

Dan Gunderson
1:08 PM (20 hours ago)

to Bradley

Fans of NDSU will not freak out if NDSU loses. They are still going to drink just as hard in Manhattan. The only thing that matters for the 2013 season is Frisco, Texas and another National Championship.

You can follow Daniel "Pinto" Gunderson on Twitter at @pintoKFGO or friend him on Facebook. You can hear him on his weekly podcast show on kfgo.com, 740thefan.com or on iTunes called “The Pinto and White Shadow Show.” Pinto is a radio producer within the Midwest Communications-Fargo company.